Exploring the Art of Blood Flow Restriction- Brett Burton DPT

January 9, 2024

Join us on the Invigor Medical Podcast as we welcome Brett Burton, DPT and founder of Somavive, to share his inspiring journey in sports medicine and his pioneering work in Blood Flow Restriction training. At Somavive, Brett is dedicated to revitalizing the health of those who have lost hope, whether due to aging, chronic conditions, or other challenges. Tune in to discover how his innovative approach is transforming lives.

-Health, fitness, and blood flow restriction training with Brett Burton. 0:00
-Career progression in physical therapy and performance coaching. 1:35
-Cancer treatment and holistic wellness. 6:28
-Cancer diagnosis and recovery. 14:12
-Muscle wasting conditions and blood flow restriction training. 17:48|
-Blood flow restriction training and its benefits. 27:08
-BFR training and its benefits with a personal trainer. 38:25
-BFR training and its benefits. 43:46
-Providing hope and solutions for chronic conditions. 50:15
-Fitness technology and its impact on recovery. 53:09
-BFR and recovery technology with a fitness expert. 57:10
-Health, fitness, and wellness with a focus on inclusivity. 1:03:01


Natalie 00:00
Hello and welcome to the Invigor medical Podcast. I’m Natalie Garland and I’m here with my ever so lovely and growing lovely or by the day co host Derek Berkey. Ladies and gentlemen.

Derek 00:11
Oh my goodness. It’s my skincare routine. You know.

Natalie 00:13
It is. You’re not wearing my favorite shirt but you are glowing. And it helps that you remember to turn on the light before we started recording.

Derek 00:20
Natalie this morning was not glowing because I forgot to plug in her light.

Natalie 00:24
I have to have the light. My favorite part was that I was thinking it was intentional. I’m like, Oh, we’re going moodier this morning. And then you look directly at the light and said, Is this light on? And I’m like, No, like you’re looking right at it. It’s absolutely not on.

Derek 00:40
I mean, granted for my angle. It’s kind of hard to tell.

Natalie 00:43
That’s true. Okay, anyway, well welcome everyone. We have light we have Derek we have myself and we’re super excited to have with us, Brett Burton, this is going to be an exciting conversation. It’s something that Derek and I don’t really know much about, which is unusual, because we usually know a lot about everything. And that’s why we’re the host of podcasts. So Brett Burton is here to discuss his journey and mission to help those seeking better health. We’re all about that here at Invigor Medical. Brett has an extensive background in sports medicine. And he’s taken that and everything he’s learned and built Somavive. It’s a platform that works to help people who have lost hope, whether that be from old age, chronic conditions, or anything in between. He’s also a pioneer and advocate for blood flow restriction training, which is what Derek and I are super excited to learn more about. And I hope our listeners are as well. So welcome, Brett, thanks for being here.

Brett Burton 01:35
Yeah, thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.

Natalie 01:37
Yeah, it sounds like you have a really incredible story. I know just a little bit about it. But it’s really exciting to have you on as a guest, and share what you’ve learned and what that learning came from and the experiences in your life. So can you just give us a little introduction of of who you are and what it is that you do?

Brett Burton 01:56
Yeah, so my background is in physical therapy. So I’m a physical therapist. I went to school for athletic training. My undergrad education was in athletic training. So I was really on a mission to work in pro and collegiate sports, like that was my goal. And so I studied athletic training, I went to physical therapy school. And then from there, I went to a sports residency, I was like I need to get in and work with you’re all in work with professional teams. And I had a chance to work in semi pro sports up in Boise, Idaho, as a part of my sports residency program. So that’s really what I was set in and focused on and really would say, in that first three years of my career as a therapist and athletic trainer, I was focused on acute care management. So like if an athlete gets hurt on the field, what do we need to do? And then what do we need to do from a rehab standpoint, to get this person back to playing to lifting weights to doing whatever they need to do.

Natalie 02:52
Right. Because you can have injuries, keeping people off the field for a long period of time at that level? Like, that’s life.

Brett Burton 02:59
No. And I went to undergrad in athletic training to learn how to splint broken bones and to learn how to care for things acutely. But then I went to physical therapy school, and I never had a chance to practice those things, I guess. And so I wanted a chance to actually call the ambulance and actually tend to an athlete who was in distress and those things so that first three years I would say my career was really focused on how do we help people get out of pain? How do we take an athlete who’s been injured, and how do we get them to back on the field as as an end goal. And so then kind of the second part of now who I am was, I moved to Phoenix, Arizona. So I lived in Phoenix for about six years and worked with a performance company called Exos. Exos was formerly known as athlete’s performance is internationally known performance company that works with professional athletes who worked with corporate wellness with 25% of fortune 100 companies. So we’re working with high level executives, we’re working with professional athletes, and we’re also working with corporate executives as well. So, you know, we’re seeing folks, well, excuse me, I’ve mentioned the corporate executives, but the military personnel so that was kind of the third arm of the company, professional athletes, executives and military personnel. And from there I was a therapist at this facility and we worked on kind of rehab to performance is what I would say so it’s not so much managing how do we manage these injuries on the field? But how do we take somebody who’s getting out of pain let’s say we had a military personnel who injured themself para trooping and broke a leg, back, hips, etc. So some severe injuries, and they want to get back to their…

Natalie 04:47
Jumping out of airplanes and landing on the ground safely.

Derek 04:51
David Goggins.

Brett Burton 04:52
Intense folks to work I loved it. I loved it. It was fun. Yeah, I’ve learned a lot from Most folks, their resiliency and focus to accomplish things is just is amazing. And so that second phase was really focused on okay, we’ve got some high performers here, how do we help this top maybe one to 2%, help them get a little faster, help them get stronger, help get them out of pain and make sure their body’s moving and functioning as well as it needs to, to accomplish jumping out of a plane, tackling a running back in the NFL, maybe it’s getting down on the soccer field as a college soccer player. So that was kind of phase two. And then as we’ll get into more I had I got cancer when I was there. So that’s really where my story pivots. And I know we’ll get into that a little bit later. But the third phase, then of my career has been really focused on wellness, like, how do we keep people then? Well, I studied and learned the initial injury process, how do we help people get out of pain? How do we get people performing at a very high level? Now, how do we help keep out help people stay healthy? And how do we help them stay? Well, and that’s really what I’ve been focused on over the last three years. And so that’s a little bit of my background professionally, I guess I’m a physical therapist, I’m a performance coach. I’m an athletic trainer, with a extensive background in sports medicine, but now we’re trying to take these pieces and get them behind people to meet them at whatever phase of life they find themselves in.

Natalie 06:27
Where they are. Yeah, I think that’s really incredible. Because it’s easy to think about, you know, people with the extensive amount of knowledge that you have being specifically for high performance folks, you know, and so I love that we set it right there in the bio, that your goal is to meet people where they are when they’ve lost hope. Not just because they used to be jumping out of airplanes and landing on the ground. And they want to do that again. But because they’re recovering from a chronic illness or they just have never actually ever been able to be active, and they feel like how could I even possibly start? So I love the idea that you’ve taken all of this knowledge and experience and sounds like you are are making it more accessible and making it work for people at all stages. And I’m guessing that’s how Somavive was created. Are we getting on the right path? Is this a good place to go next? Tell me about Somavive and why that started and what it’s meant for.

Brett Burton 06:28
Yeah so Somavive was built out of the Cancer Center in my own life. So I was working at Exos, the high performance company and had a random pain in my stomach, and ended up figuring out I had cancer. I had testicular cancer. So some of the cancer gotten up into my abdomen. And it was unusual because in a lot of let’s say testicular/ breast cancers people will feel a mass or something that’s kind of unusual that was raised them. And in my case, there was nothing really to be found. I went to a urologist, and he was like, if you were here for a screen there’s nothing really to be found. But it presented itself in its stomach with pain. And the urologist therefore said, I’m glad you came in now, because the next part of this heads too is your lungs. So I’m glad you woke pain in your stomach, and you weren’t short of breath, or we hadn’t gotten up to the lungs at this point. So I went through a couple of major surgeries went through nine weeks of an intense bout of chemotherapy. And really, Somavive started in chemotherapy. I was sitting there getting IV infusions for five hours. And I was just thinking. I was like, man there’s a lot of people here in this cancer ward that didn’t get here overnight. I myself ended up there overnight, unfortunately. But there’s a lot of people that I was interacting with and meeting and you know, “Oh, I did this to myself, or I should have been doing X, Y, or Z” and like kind of this dismal mood or culture there. And I was like, and there’s a lot of people out there. I don’t want to see people get to this point, like what do we need to do to help people get on top of things early, right before this becomes a reality in a cancer center. And so that’s really where a lot of the initial seeds were planted. And then, after I was transitioning out of Exos, it was interesting, because I had, I love sports, and I loved working that environment. But after I got out of this cancer experience, I got back there and it just didn’t feel like a place I was supposed to be. I didn’t really know what I was supposed to do. And I didn’t know I didn’t know I was just like, I don’t know what I’m supposed to do. But I’m recovering the cancers out of my body. My wife had had our first baby actually at the time too. So you know, you’re a new dad..

Natalie 07:43
That’s lot to be going through all at once.

Brett Burton 09:44
It was and you know, we kind of can look back at life like that it lightly a little bit now and say like, well, in that year, we really experienced more than some people ever experienced in their life potentially of having a child going through cancer. And Somavive really was that was step one was just like, I have cancer out of my body now. What do I need to get myself right? My doctors like, hey Brett, you’re good and you got your cancer free. And I’m like, I don’t feel great. But okay, I’m good. And my oncologist was amazing. I really appreciated all the work that she did. And she helped me tremendously. But I was just looking for more, I guess. Saying man, there’s got to be. I was playing with my three month old in the backyard. And I was like, I’m out of breath, like, kind of on my hands and knees. Yeah, with my child, like, I’ve got a ways to go to get myself, right. I don’t think physical therapy is the answer, I need more than a six to eight week physical therapy program to get myself right. I need more than just a gym membership to you know, go into a gym and maybe run on a treadmill or lift some weights any more than that. So really, some of it was built out of necessity for myself. And it took about three years honestly, to put myself on a pathway to regaining strength, function and ability to perform after going through that, so that’s kind of where it all began.

Derek 11:17
You know, I think that that is such a striking story. Especially your your insights, when you’re sitting in the cancer ward, and looking at all these other patients and thinking like, Man, this didn’t happen overnight. Like, and that kind of a question that I have from that is, you know, in our medicine as we know it right now. It’s kind of, uh, often called, like, health 2.0. Right. But as we know it, it’s very like, Okay, what’s the problem? Fix the problem with the medicine? Okay, you’re good to go. And you’re out. That’s very different than your vision. And you touched on this already a little bit, but like your vision of wellness, of like holistic wellness. Can you maybe dive into your insights of like, the differences of medicine and wellness. And why we’re kind of going through this current divide between, you know, it’s a very dichotomous kind of situation that we’re in between these two situations.

Brett Burton 12:16
Yeah, that’s a great observation. And it’s something that very much needs to be addressed. And I’d like to break it out really in two points. So you address point number one, traditional medicine a lot of times helps diagnose and treat a condition. And in cancer, especially, the top goal is to keep somebody alive, right? We don’t want to we want to preserve a life, we want to keep somebody alive. And that’s, that was very evident in my care. I mean, it was amazing. The care I got was spectacular. I mean, I went from having this sensation in my stomach, to having two procedures and initiating chemo in less than a month. I mean, that was that was a quick turnaround. So now I was in a large I was in clinics, I was in a large metro area, right with a lot of skilled professionals and specialty centers and those sorts of things. But that was phenomenal. I was amazed. I was like, wow, and you had to blink. And I personally had to take a step back a few times. I just be like, Man, is this really happening? Like it was happening so fast? And so step number one is we do need, it’s important to diagnose and to treat things and to figure out what’s going on. But then step number two is once we figure out what’s going on, how do we make sure the body is functioning at an optimal level? I’m not just here to survive, and I live and breathe and move. But I want to go on runs, I want to play with my kids, I want to go on vacation, I want to get together and do things with my friends. Like I want to do those things that are quality of life. And so that I think is where we’re at when you talk about this divide is like there’s a medicine, it’s do no harm, and it’s keep people living, and it’s take care of the immediate addressable concern. And wellness. We’re talking about people thriving people living life to the fullest and people maximizing their potential. So those are two very different things. Right?

Derek 14:12
Of course.

Natalie 14:12
Yeah. I was thinking when you were telling the story. It’s I think it’s really wonderful that you’ve been there. Because I think a lot of people even if it’s just an you know, let’s talk about getting fit, getting in shape, losing weight, whatever. And they’re looking at influence on influencers on Instagram, or learning from trainers, etc. And sometimes it’s really hard because, you know, to look at this person, it’s like literally been their whole life for forever. They’ve never experienced what it is to be 100 pounds overweight, and to try to get healthy. You know. And so there’s there’s a lack of an ability to empathize. It’s not because these people are pregnant. Yeah, these people are jerks. It’s just because you know, it’s really difficult to empathize with the struggles that that person may be going through in that situation. So to know that you had gotten to a place where where you just really didn’t feel like yourself at all, and you’re struggling to play with your think I think you said your six months in the backyard who’s like literally, literally not even running yet. And you’re out of breath, you know. And I can, I can only imagine all of the other changes that you went through physically and mentally and even emotionally at that time, to now take all that and to say, Hey, I’ve been there. And there is a way forward. I think it inspires a lot of hope, and probably gives people a feeling of, oh, I can do this, because Brett did it.

Brett Burton 15:33
Yeah, and that was the first time I mean, just to speak to that, that was the first time in my life that I had felt like weak and unable to do what I needed to do, you know, I was 30 years old, when this had happened. I was strong, I exercise regularly, you know, I eat well, I was doing for the most part.

Natalie 15:51
You’re still in prime of life, right.

Brett Burton 15:54
That’s just not something you expect, right at 30, to have a doctor tell you, boy, you got cancer. And so that, you know, in itself, but you’re right, the sense of empathy that now I have when I see a patient in the physical therapy clinic, or when I’m working with somebody through our online platform through Somavive of I don’t like I personally don’t like to, you know, put on the tag of like cancer survivor a lot. Because that’s not my identity. Like I I’m, I want to be a healthy person. That’s the identity that I want to take on and bear. I don’t want to be latched or strapped to this cancer that I’ve now moved beyond. And hopefully I’ll have moved beyond it for the rest of my life. But I want to remove that or forget about some of those things. But yet, I asked and I kind of tried to remind myself to say, Boy, I don’t want to forget what I felt like, right? I don’t want to forget what I felt like in the cancer ward, when I lost 25 pounds. And I felt so weak. And I couldn’t do just some basic things that I needed to do. Like it was very humbling to, I couldn’t work my job as a physical therapist, I was a full time patient, essentially for five months. Because when I started chemo, I got a neuropathy into my fingers. And I had to use paper plates in the kitchen because I was concerned I was going to be dropping dishes, my wife wouldn’t have been happy about that. But I’m like I can’t be managing, managing people’s limbs after surgery and different things if I can’t even change the plate in the kitchen. So it’s interesting because I try to regularly remind myself of what I felt like each time I see patients or I work with our clients. Because if you can put yourself in those people’s shoes, and we never can live, you know, I can’t put myself in your shoes, you can’t fully put yourself in my shoes. But if we can start to try to get ourselves a little bit closer, I think that just completely changes dynamics with how care is delivered.

Derek 17:48
Definitely, totally agree, you know, and a story that just came up into my mind. I don’t know if either of you have had the chance to read Peter Attia’s book Outlive, or if you’ve heard of it. But it’s a fantastic book. He has his own podcast that drive where he talks about lifestyle and lifespan and healthspan and all the things to optimize that. But at the very beginning of the book he talks about, he makes an observation about the health system in general. And he’s like, it’s similar to, you know, you’re next to the skyscraper. And eggs keep falling from the top of the skyscraper, and they keep splatting. And we’re very good at like, we have these baskets that have like pillows, and we’re able to catch the eggs, and we’re able to anticipate where they’re gonna go. We’ve gotten very good at that. But he’s like, really, the best thing for you to do in that situation is go to the top of the building, find out who’s throwing those eggs off the building, and get them to stop doing those eggs. Yeah, exactly. And so I think that, this, this whole idea of what you’re doing here with some of it, it’s like you’re going to the top of this building, you’re like, I’m gonna find out who’s responsible for throwing all these eggs. And I’m gonna get down to the bottom of this. And so like, I would love to dive more into like some specific tools. Because in preparation for this episode, we listened to one that you did and I know you talked a lot about like James clear, and his book, atomic habits, and very much like the identity like and when you’re talking about your identities, you want to identify as a healthy person, and the power that can come from that. I would love to hear more of your thoughts on that.

Brett Burton 19:17
Yeah. So that’s a big challenge. And so it kind of, I guess, speaking to some of it, we take a lot of folks into our platform who are riddled with on curable chronic conditions that don’t have a pharmaceutical solution, many of them so some of these folks, they might even be on diagnose like, you know, I’ve been working with a woman for a while that they’re there. She’s been to three years in and we’re still trying to figure out what, what is that diagnosis, right that she’s trying to look for and find. But what was interesting is we’ve served a lot of people with muscle wasting conditions. So that presentation you’re talking about Derek was for what’s called a myositis organization that was called myositis support. No Standing. So myositis is a muscle wasting condition that there are several subsets to myositis. But these people, unfortunately, it’s an autoimmune condition. So their body is attacking the muscle cells. And unfortunately, over 10 to 15 years time and folks with one condition, specifically, it’s called inclusion body myositis. IBM is how it’s abbreviated. Unfortunately, a lot of these people end up in a wheelchair because they lose strength in their thigh muscles and their forearms. So, these individuals, I would say, specifically with IBM have been important players and actually building some of it, because I connected with my first one down in Phoenix. And what we did is we implemented the blood flow restriction training that we’re going to be talking about. And this gentleman went to Johns Hopkins, which is a top specialty center in the world for inclusion body myositis. And he had recently gotten back from a conference and heard about BFR, like you guys have recently heard about, he just said, I don’t know much about this. But I heard you’re the guy that’s teaches this stuff. And I had actually been instructed by Dr. Jim stray Gunderson and be strong. So be strong as a company that makes manufactures BFR bands. There’s a lot of different equipment makers out there. But I was getting ready to launch my teaching company when I got diagnosed with cancer. So all that kind of got put on the backburner. And then I got healthy enough to start teaching. And I was traveling the country after my cancer episode teaching about BFR. And this gentleman came to me with this muscle wasting condition. And he said, I think that this can help me I went to this conference, they talked about it. And I just don’t know how to do it. You’re the guy that’s teaching folks about it, is there a way that you would be willing to work with me? And I said, I don’t I’ve never heard of this condition. Honestly, as a therapist I had been practicing for this would have been five years at this point in time. And I never seen a patient that had this. I said, Well, let me do a little research and like, let’s see what we can do. And about two months in, we put them on a BFR program with exercise using the bands. And about two months in he comes back and he said he Bret, like, I probably should have told you this before, but I was a part of a study at Johns Hopkins. And they’ve kind of been monitoring me. And I was like, Oh, really? And he said, Well, I went and did the testing as a part of this follow up. And I got better, is what he said. And he’s like, Oh wow.

Natalie 19:38
Wow, find out you’re like accidentally, a part of the study and Johns Hopkins.

Brett Burton 22:17
On it, I was like, we shouldn’t even started this, if you were enrolled in this trial, like, we probably have something up there. But he was like, I was completely naive and just oblivious to the whole thing. I was like, Well, this is what we would do with an athlete. Like if we had an athlete in here that was weak and was struggling, this is what we would do. And he did it for two months. And he showed improvement progress, which is kind of unheard of in this muscle wasting, we should be gradually seeing it.

Natalie 23:07
Because it’s degenerative.

Brett Burton 23:11
And so wow, that led to me connecting with folks there. And them just saying, hey, like, this isn’t something we typically see. And I was like, Well, I’m I don’t know, we just did this, I don’t know a whole lot about this condition. And here’s what happened like, this is great, like the gentleman can walk faster, he can get out of a chair a little easier, his wife’s noticing some improvements, and just how he’s getting around the house. And I was like, awesome. And so, you know, that’s interesting start of really how some of I’ve started to grow with working with these folks with muscle wasting conditions, because what we’re seeing with these BFR bands, is that we can access and tap into muscle fiber types, let’s say type two fibers. So if we’re getting into a little bit of muscle physiology, we would have type one. So typically, we have type one and type two fibers. So type one or your slow twitch fibers maybe that people would have heard about, these are fibers that are primarily activated when we’re doing longer distance duration types of activities. Type two fibers are really important for explosive speed and power related functions, you know, moving quickly or lifting heavy things. So that’s typically when we stimulate type two fibers. And so, you know, we’re talking about in as part of you kind of a brainstorming session like why are these people with muscle wasting conditions potentially showing progress right when they’re not typically getting better? And one of the interesting things with BFR is we can put these bands on either the arms or legs as somebody begins to exercise. And we can make that exercise very challenging for somebody without having to load up a bar really heavy to make it hard to lift or without having to move quickly. So in this gentleman’s case, he was at kind of a fall risk, he was a little unsteady on his feet, so we probably shouldn’t be moving things quickly. And if we’re lifting things heavy, we don’t want him to get hurt, right? Because he’s maybe not strong enough to handle even, let’s say, 135 pounds on on a barbell. And so, with BFR, we can put bands on and we manipulate or change the characteristics of blood flow as it moves through the limbs. So we’re not cutting it off completely, like we would with like a tourniquet or if you get your blood pressure taken, we’re just flowing blood flow down as it’s moving through the limb. And because the speed of blood flow is slowed down, the delivery of nutrition to your muscle becomes hindered because of this band is here in place. And so the body then starts to send a message to the brain says, Boy, I’m having a hard time moving my limb here, because I’m not getting as much nutrition as I’m as I’m used to. And so the brain is going to say, oh, we need to kick in some help. So here comes are type two fibers that are very important and powerful. To help my body complete, said task, let’s say of doing a bicep curl just for an example. And in this gentleman who’s got a muscle wasting condition, we can start tapping into type two fibers with just simply having him sit and stand out of a chair without having to load up a lot of weight on him. And if we look at this, not only in muscle wasting, but also let’s look at sarcopenia. So that’s muscle loss with just aging. You and I we’re all experiencing this, if we’re all over 30 we’re all experiencing.

Natalie 26:37
We don’t let’s talk about it. That’s why you’re glowing?

Brett Burton 26:42
Well, we’re all experiencing muscle loss. And when we look at the research that shows that as we get into our 50s and 60s, a greater proportion of that muscle loss is in these type two fibers. So if I can stimulate these in a very efficient way that is productive. Boy, I might be able to start doing some activities or things like in this gentleman’s case that he was unable to do before, because it might have been decades since he’s stimulated is type two fibers

Derek 27:08
That is absolutely incredible. So I’m very curious about this whole blood flow restriction process, right? Obviously, it has therapeutic applications, right? It’s helped this guy, you know, who unintentionally skew the results for this John Hopkins, I mean, but like, really, if it is gonna get skewed, those are those are those are the results that we want to skew.

Natalie 27:30
Look into it Johns Hopkins.

Derek 27:32
But so I’m listening to this just kind of from my own point of view, right. So I train pretty frequently I go to the gym, I do weights, all that kind of thing. And I’m sure that a lot of people in our audience probably are listening to this. It’s like, okay, so how can I utilize this technology? I’m curious, like, so when you when you put the blood flow restriction? Obviously, it doesn’t completely cut off the circulation? Like how does it increase the stimulus of type two fibers as time under tension? Is it just including increasing the amount of pressure because there’s more blood in there that doesn’t have the ability to flow? Like, how does that work in like, for people, people like me that are just wanting to optimize the results at the gym? Like, how could that potentially help them?

Natalie 28:10
And for those of you that are listening and not watching, Brett has now taken the band and placed it on his upper left bicep, I think we’re about to get a demonstration folks. So you might want to switch to the YouTube version of this.

Derek 28:21

Natalie 28:22
We’ll do our best to audio dub over what he’s doing.

Brett Burton 28:26
The band’s around the elbow, the wrist, there’s too many sensitive neurological structures or vascular bundles, here, here, we got a lot of tissue that we can work with, to keep ourselves safe as we start to do the training. So this is b strong system. And if with be strong, if I pump my pump up here, this would just be like pumping up a blood pressure cuff. I’m going to pump to a starting pressure. Now. The pressures again are going to vary depend upon people’s the size of their limbs, their health status, there’s there’s several things that kind of factor into what pressures we would recommend people begin with. But I put pressure into the band. And what you can see is that now that’s detached and I can start to move and lift and exercise. So Derek, in your case, if you wanted to, you could do this at your house, or you could do it at the gym, you could do it in your backyard, you could do it in your bedroom, you could do it in a hotel room, you can do it at the airport, like there’s all sorts of places you can exercise with this because I really don’t need to have a whole lot of equipment. With VFR one of the common threads regardless of what type of methodology or system you’re using, is we use high repetitions and we use low weights. So lightweights high repetition. And when you’re asking how do we kind of tap into these type two fibers. As the oxygen starts to become less available to my muscle to function? What happens is my muscle actually will send my brain a signal and the brain will actually send a stronger stimulus distal inured to yep through the nervous system. So we’re stimulating the central nervous system to say, hey, we need some help here to execute our exercises a nervous system. And what that does is it’s sending a stronger stimulus that then will tap into these muscle fiber types that are present unavailable, but yet, usually don’t kick on until I really need some help right to lift something heavy or do a task that seems a little bit more strenuous. So I can leave this band on. And I don’t know if I hold my hand up there, if you can start to see a little bit, but you can see that I do get some of the pooling into my capillary beds. So this is normal. Yep, this is normal. And if I push into the pad of my hand there, I’m still getting blood flow coming back into my hands. So if I was completely cutting off, that would just stay white, I push into the pad of my hand, that would just stay white. But you can see that that turns back to a red color. So I’m not cutting blood flow completely off this limb, I’m slowing blood flow down as it goes through my extremity, the pooling factor starts to make my muscles feel tight and swollen, like you would feel right if you’re getting a muscle pump in the gym by lifting a heavier weight. And then we have this signaling that actually goes to the brain and the brain becomes very involved in this process too. So there’s a lot kind of that’s happening behind the scenes with BFR. But one simple way that we can look at it is we’re putting metabolic stress. So we’re putting stress on the body through means of blood flow.

Brett Burton 31:42
Yes, you can get all the way down to a cellular level with this with like stimulating some synthesis. And stimulate some of those pathways. Those can be stimulated through BFR. But they’re stimulated not necessarily from putting more weight on the bar. But by manipulating or changing the characteristics of blood flow through my body. That is so incredible.

Natalie 32:07
I want to kind of connect some dots here, because there’s a lot of information here.

Derek 32:11
If you leave me to my own devices, I just nerd out and everyone else would just, yeah anyways.

Natalie 32:18
Dumb things down. Very smart people around me. Okay, so this is what I’m hearing cuz we’re talking about type one muscle and type two muscle, you got the slow twitch and the fast twitch, right. And so say, for example, me, so I’m a single mom, I have a really busy schedule, I love to get into the gym to do a bigger lift, especially if it’s a leg day because I can work out at home and I have some hand weights and bands and all that stuff. But it’s just really not the same pump. So for anything, it’s like I want to be in the gym for leg day. So I can get those heavier weights, right. But what I’m hearing is it’s like, oh, my gosh, I’m traveling or I’m at home, I don’t have the time, you know, to get into the gym in the morning when the kids are sleeping, I have to do this at home. And so normally, I would just like use my hand weights, do as many reps as possible, try to like, get that burnout, what I’m hearing you say is in that instance, I’m using that type one muscle more because it’s it’s, it’s not the power, it’s not requiring as much or I might have to do quite a lot more reps in order to start activating that type two muscle. So by doing BFR…

Brett Burton 33:18
You’re tracking very well. And I think to continue to help your understanding is if you’re at home lifting with your lighter weights and bands, it takes you a lot of work right to reach a fatiguing. Okay, point to where you maybe can’t do too many more reps, right? If we’re talking about training to fatigue, where I maybe have two to three to four reps left in the tank, like with a bicep curl that reps in reserve Exactly. So what BFR does is it lowers the ceiling down to say, hey, we can do 20 minutes of exercise, instead of having a 60 minutes. Let’s do 20 minutes, let’s change the characteristics of blood flow moving through the limb. And let’s make it easier to reach that point of fatigue and allow you to get there faster.

Derek 34:04
I’m geeking out right now.

Natalie 34:05
Like how did I not know about this? I know I’m like sweating a little bit thinking about that? That’s a weird response. I realize but maybe because we’re talking about exercise.

Derek 34:15
I’ve got more questions. And it’s just because like I am insanely curious about this whole process. So like, regardless of whether you’re you’re using it for therapeutic purposes, or if you are doing it to look good and to you know, get the pump and do all that and maybe this is just a quick answer. Maybe it’s there’s a longer explanation to this and you’ve already kind of covered this to certain degree. But is it when you say there’s greater stimulus from the brain is that specifically hypertrophic stimulus? Or in other words, like stimulus to make your muscles grow bigger? Is that correct?

Brett Burton 34:49
So in you know, if you look at a lot of work, I mean, I appreciate Chris Beardsley is a gentleman who’s written a lot on hypertrophy. He runs a great website called strength and conditioning research.com. And he’s got a nice little, it’s talking about a good bang for your buck. He’s got like a $3 book on Amazon, if you’re interested in like, the current updates on the mechanisms of hypertrophy, it’s it’s amazing read.

Derek 35:14
We’ll leave a link below.

Brett Burton 35:17
He kind of comes down to and says like, really it comes down to mechanical tension, it’s a tension that’s placed on the muscle that is needed to allow it to get larger and to improve and strengthen function. So it Chris Beardsley, his book really explains a lot of these theories. And it seems like as of late, like, that’s what it’s coming down to. So, you know, are we getting the stimulus with the BFR, we’re still putting tension on the muscle as I begin to exercise. And because I have that lightweight, or even like, down here, in my little studio, I’ve got a TRX that, you know, if I’m using body size, or light bands, I still get that mechanical tension on my muscle. But it allows BFR really allows you to settle into like that deep fatigue state for like a long period of time, if that makes sense. So I’m still getting a typical stress on my muscle that Natalie would get in her home routine, but she has to get a lot of reps right to get there. Or if we go to the gym, I gotta load up the bar with some substantial weight to be able to get there. That can be dangerous. But the other thing that is awesome about BFR is like, let’s just use a push up. For example, if I put those bands on, I got down and did a push up, man, I can get into that deep fatigue state for maybe like 10 to 15 reps, where I am really feeling myself work through it. Versus if I go to the gym, and let’s say I put 175 on a bar, I might only have that deep fatigue, load on for like, maybe five seconds, 10 seconds, maybe for a few reps. So the length of time that I can allow my body to like work and practice and train under this fatigue state is incredible, I cannot find another option to do that.

Derek 37:04
To be honest, like, that’s part of the reason why it’s so exciting. Because it’s like everyone goes to the like more so like you go to the gym. And it’s you, you know that you’re going to be there for a set amount of time, and you need to rest X amount of minutes between each rep. And then you’re like, Okay. And you know, like if you’re, if you’re doing that need to just resigned to the to the length of time that you’re doing it. But if it sounds like BFR could potentially like help shorten the length of workouts, because you’re able to get to failure or to fatigue much more quickly, without necessarily losing the quality of your workout, but drastically jaw dropping the quantity of time that you’re spending on that. Is that correct?

Brett Burton 37:45
So I’ll give you an example. We had a gal who was a competitive power lifter come to one of our educational courses. So I teach, teach BFR she was a participant in our course. And she was out of her gym due to COVID for about three months cuz she couldn’t get into a gym because of the COVID situation. And she said, Brett, I strictly changed trained BFR for three months. And she’s like, I did it in the comfort of her home without getting under a bar and doing her competitive lifts. And she said I went back to the gym three months later, she said I didn’t improve, but I maintained my one rep max is.

Derek 38:21
That is incredible. Wow, that is incredible.

Natalie 38:24
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Derek so excited.

Derek 38:26
I’m so stoked. I am so stoked. I’ve just got a quick like you’re doing if you don’t take over Natalie, I’m just gonna ask question after question after question.

Natalie 38:36
So happy I’m here for you. I’m excited to be here.

Derek 38:41
It’s so cool. Well, I just want to say go ahead.

Brett Burton 38:43
Natalie’s situation too. So now I’ve got three boys. And we love to exercise together. I mean, the boys there, my oldest are five and three. So they’re still you know, quite quite young and the youngest one six months. And we come down here and we’re down here in the basement. And you know, there are days that I just don’t have time because of certain situations. But if I can come down here and get on the TRX with the BF brick and feel like I’ve been to the gym that morning. And what we’re seeing in some of I think through online platforms. So some of I’ve really we deliver structured individualized, BFR programming to whoever wants to participate. And so we see, on average, we see about 600 of these sessions come through our platform every month. So we’re seeing a lot of BFR exercises come through the platform. And the beautiful thing about folks that participate in our programs is the ability to be consistent with exercise is amazing. And that’s one of the key features that people struggle with when it comes to workout routines and regimens. Yeah, so going back to your situation, I think was to go to the is a week for 20 minutes like, could you give me two days a week, 20 minutes with the BFR bands, we could see we can see tangible change easily with easily strengthened function.

Natalie 40:12
That’s crazy because I think about because the biggest thing for me is I like getting my workout in in the morning. Because at the end of the day, it feels like one more thing I have to squeeze in when I end and it’s really about the mental fortitude at that point. Because I’ve been working, I’ve been talking to people, you know, I’m in sales, I’m on the podcast, or like, My whole day is engaging with people over the time I get home, my brains just ready to be like, full. And I have to think about finding my workout clothes and wear my shoes and get a pair of socks. And do I want to go to the gym or I’m in a workout at home. Where’s the equipment where I put the damn kettlebell? Is there you know, am I going to be inside outside mood for there’s like all this stuff? And my brain is like, yeah, no. Right. So in the morning, I just feel like the time is so shorter and shorter. So then I start getting up earlier and earlier, but then I’m tired. And then I have less in the tank than next day, you know. And so it trying to squeeze everything in is really the toughest thing for me. And so it’s like, I’ll go and I’ll do that 20-30 minute workout. But there is a small part of me that’s like, it’s not enough, you know, like, I want more out of my workout. And I know it’s better to still do it than to not, but I want more out of it. And I have this thing in the back of my mind if I’m not in the gym. And if I’m not, you know, I’m leg day, doing, you know, front squats with the barbell or doing hip thrusts and doing sumo deadlifts, you know, I’m not gonna grow the booty I’m trying to grow, I’m just gonna say I can’t do it at home. You know, that’s when I’m thinking when I’m at home, like trying to do with the kettlebell or the the hand wages. I’m like, it’s never gonna get there. You know? Sorry, you don’t even know where to go.

Derek 41:45
I’m just like, okay.

Natalie 41:46
Okay so I know, I have a question. I’m thinking about, you’re talking about creating these plans for people, right? And because I’m thinking, Okay, if if somebody’s like me, if I were just, you know, listening to this podcast, and I’m thinking, Oh, my gosh, I want to try this. And you know, I think a lot of people that are in the fitness world, are really resourceful and are used to going out and getting what they need to try something new. And like, oh, I can figure this out, I’ll get on my own. And so I can almost envision people like I’m gonna go buy a resistance band and just wrap it around my arm twice and call it good, or whatever. So I guess I would say, What would you say to people who are interested in training? BFR? Training, with BFR, VFR training? When we say VFR training via fortunately, if our training, yeah. So people that are interested in BFR training, where should they begin? You know, because I can imagine there’s a lot of incorrect and possibly damaging ways to do this, you know, so, you know, how would you caution people like, Hey, this is a really wonderful thing, you can see some pretty amazing results. But here’s what I want you to not do. And here’s what you should do. Does that make sense?

Brett Burton 42:52
Yeah, yeah, there’s a wide range of equipment out there, ranging from $40 bands on Amazon to some of the clinical grade range. But there are, I would say, and one thing that’s exciting me, I think about wellness. Derek, if we go back to kind of our conversation about wellness is, there are a lot of these products that we would typically use in a high level Sports Medicine Center or a physical therapy clinic that are becoming more accessible for people to use in the comforts of their home. And that’s exciting to me, when we look at the future of health and wellness is like, how can we take advantage of some of these incredible technologies and bring them into somebody’s home. So we can start to use these on a consistent basis, not only do so safely, but also get really good results, as well. And so, with BFR, you know, there’s several consumer based models that are out there that are very safe and effective. So I primarily lean towards be strong. That’s the one that I’ve been using for the longest period of time. But we also have other clients in our platform that use what’s called saga fitness, which is another company name, katsu, which is the original BFR. And we haven’t kind of talked about the history or the origins, but this started in Japan through a concept called katsu. And so that’s why we have over 20 years of research on this, but because it was embedded in Japan and and never got out of Japan and over to the US until probably the last 10 to 15 years or so. That’s why it’s kind of been late to come in over here. So katsu is still out there saga fitness, be strong. There’s another company called Smart cuffs. These systems are now being designed for a consumer to safely be able to do BFR without necessarily needing to do every session in their local physical therapy clinic. But I wouldn’t recommend at this point taking elastic band and you know, tightening up around your arm because it really is it really is intricate about that balance right and how do we make sure that those putting into them the right amount of pressure and that we’re working to a point where we get an appropriate stimulus, right amount of pressure, right movements and achieve their goals that they’re working towards. But it’s not over done.

Derek 45:22
Let’s say someone is interested in starting BFR, would they want to go and see a specialist? I would assume that there’s probably not very many BFR specialists, but I could be wrong. But like, would they want to go and see a specialist? Or it’d be one of these things where like, they can kind of like, get a gauge of it and kind of figure out okay, yeah, this feels about right. And there’ll be safe kind of within those stipulations. Yeah, I would say if you start with any of those companies, bands that I recommended, anyone can purchase those online, you know, there’s people that use those independently. And they can do those without having to go through necessarily a training course or like extensive education. Most actually, a lot of physical therapists are becoming more and more trained on the concepts of BFR. There’s several companies out there that are providing appropriate education. So I always say that it’s best to start under somebody who’s done this before, and kind of seeing what they can do. Even if that’s just for a few sessions, I think there’s a lot of benefit to that. But once you to know what you’re supposed to feel just like with exercise in general, right, it might be helpful to start with a personal trainer, or somebody in the gym, who can kind of show you the lay of the land, make sure you’re using the equipment correctly, knowing what you should and shouldn’t feel. And then you start to develop confidence and independence, right with exercise and training and these sorts of things that yeah, you could elect to continue to work with that trainer, or you might decide to go off on your own and continue to utilize those methods and concepts that you were taught. So I do you think that those starting, there’s kind of some nuances with it that I think are important, especially if you’re somebody that has other health conditions or other things that we need to be concerned about. I think for most younger, healthy individuals, it’s a very safe training method to execute. But once we start getting to those folks that might be a little older, have several comorbidities or other health conditions that might need to be aware of that’s when you have to really be careful about what you’re doing.

Natalie 47:16
That makes sense.

Derek 47:17
Are there any specific practices? Because I’m just imagining somebody being like, oh, yeah, more is better. And they go in there, and they do a full like, as if they’re taking your blood pressure, and they completely cut off circulation? Like, are there any practices that people should avoid when doing this? And like, how do you know when you’re overdoing it besides having like, extreme muscles the next day?

Brett Burton 47:40
Yeah, so there’s certain things that you should and shouldn’t feel with BFR. So for example, like you shouldn’t be feeling lightheaded or dizzy and you shouldn’t feel nauseous, when you’re training, you shouldn’t get numbness and tingling into your arm. As you’re doing that you shouldn’t have pain into like a joint like your wrist or your elbow, as those things are taking place. Those would be things that you shouldn’t feel when you’re going through a BFR session, normal sensation so that you should feel it, you should feel some discomfort, you should feel that muscle pump that burn that tightness. So those are the things that people in into a certain degree, you know, we’ve got three folks, I think three or four folks in our platform that are over 80 years old, in our platform doing BFR. And you know, some of those folks, you know, if they didn’t grow up exercising, they might not like run to that pump, like maybe a 25 year old is like, oh, yeah, like I like oil. And I really that that revs me up. And I really like how that feels. But that’s the importance that we found in kind of landing on these individualized programs, because we can get results. And we can help make exercise a sustainable habit for somebody’s lifetime, with BFR. And that’s, that’s really, I tell people our platform, we lead in with BFR. Because people can get good results, it can happen quickly. And we can get really good by in talking about like the habits and just really nice things of it. But my goal for a lot of our clients is how do we start getting you on a train per se of adding another car. So it’s like, Hey, we got BFR if I got train per se, I’ve got BFR leading out here in front bread. I’m doing my BFR two times a week, and I’m starting to feel good. Okay, well, let’s latch on another car to that and let’s get you out now, two more times a week and how about you take your dog for a 20 minute walk? Okay, I can do that. And so now we got our VFR we got our walking. Alright, now I want you to go eat lunch on the patio and get 20 minutes of sunshine each day. Let’s latch that car on. And so we use VFR as a engine to power habits and create change that people are jacked up about and excited about to feel better because our clients will come to me saying Brett, what else can I do? I’m feeling good. Now instead of To me as the coach or the provider saying, You need to get your walk in, and you need to do this, and you need to do that we’re pointing the finger too many times. There’s a big difference in that versus somebody coming to you and saying, what’s next? I’m feeling good. And I’m ready to go.

Natalie 50:15
Yeah, yeah. I think that’s incredible to kind of put the focus on, it goes back to saying like people without hope, how do you give them hope and especially if there are people that have been feeling like they’re stuck in this situation for a long time and or, I’ve been trying this, I tried this diet, I tried this workout, I, you know, all of these things that just feel like failure upon failure upon failure. And I love the idea of let’s set them up for a win from the get go, you know, and not just like a perceived win, because it could be like, Hey, you went five days without a soda, congrats, like to a porridge. It’s like, you know, to someone that’s feeling really low. It’s like, Yay, me. But there’s I don’t you know, what am I? What is my benefit from this? Like, I mean, I feel a little bit better, I guess. But it’s not like enough that they’re like, Oh, my God, give me more, you know. So I love this idea of that first vehicle being the BFR that makes such an impact that they’re feeling, I can only imagine just a whole new fresh perspective, and hope for what more they could have went for when before they came to you. They’re probably feeling like no help for anything more ever again.

Brett Burton 51:20
Yeah, yeah, we have a lot of folks come to us from, again, some world class institutions that have sought treatment care at the highest place. And for some of these, untreatable per se chronic conditions where there’s not a pharmaceutical solution, or there’s not a cure for something like let’s just use IBM, the inclusion, but I just got almost a little depressed myself. Hearing people say time and time again, Brett, the doctor said, There’s nothing I can do. There’s nothing I can do to help myself out. And I don’t think the doctor was necessarily saying that verbatim, but that’s what they perceived to say like, well, I’ve got this uncurable, right, he’s like, I’m not going to get it out of my body, what can I do to help myself out, and I’m just sitting here on the other line, saying, there’s a lot of things that you can do, you can do your BFR, you can walk your dog, you can, you know, get some sunshine, you know, you can do these different things. And that’s the hope that we try to provide to our clients and say, We want to build and I call these services, I call them for ongoing proactive performance services. I mean, we want to provide weeks in a physical therapy clinic, not just to get to the point where we take a medicine to help yourself feel better, but we want to build these habits for years and potentially decades, we’ve had some of our clients in our program for up to four years. Now to where we’re continuing. I mean, those those clients, those are the I call them the players, like these people are the players, that they are driving trains, if we use that analogy, where they’re like, they’re plugging in a lot of things, and it’s not out of duty, but it’s out of ambition get better.

Derek 53:09
Well it’s really an upward spiral, right? It’s like, once you start seeing, like, you know, in weightlifting, they call it newbie gains, right? Where it’s like, Man, I’m really seeing the results right now. And like, you feel better. And it’s like, you, you, you, just like you said, like that you look for the next thing and like, what can I do to improve from here, and it’s just like, you continue to go up and up and up. And if you can keep that momentum going, then the incredible impact you can have on people’s lives is just amazing. I did have a question. So obviously, you’re very much like in this space, and you’re always looking for good solutions. Are there any other kind of technologies that are on your radar that are coming up besides BFR? Because like, I’ve never even like before this? I’ve heard about it a little bit. And I’m like, Well, you know, who knows? But like, you’ve really opened my eyes, a lot of like, the power of this. Is there. Is there anything else that you know of? That’s coming up that could potentially have really, or that is promising for people that are suffering with chronic conditions or even just the regular Joe Schmo?

Brett Burton 54:09
Yeah, I think what we’re seeing is we’re seeing products become more accessible to the average person. So going back to my time at Exos, our headquarters were in Phoenix, we had an amazing facility where we’d have people come across the world, you know, we were probably one of the top 10 gyms. I think at one point in men’s health, we were well it was one of the top 10 gyms in the country. And you know, at that point in time, you know, when I started it was you know, over $2,000 for a NormaTec if you guys are familiar with like the NormaTec compression boots, or they have these different you know, if you look at like hyper ice as a company and Thera body like those are a couple of liters, I would say and like the recovery space, that really have some nice things and now you can get some of these products for under $1,000 You know, so you don’t have to go To the exclusive gym per se, to have access and get to those things, you know, people if they want to prioritize those things, those things are within reach for people to have access to in their home. So I think in general, like those are things Derek, I’m really excited about, like when we see these things that are like what else has got a pretty high price tag on it. But now we’ve seen it get better and it get condensed into a home base model and COVID really accelerated a lot of that.

Derek 55:29
A lot of these comps, you know, one thing that came to mind that I know that we have a mutual contest connection of is Kyle seller, I was thinking that too. And his ad a cooling yes is absolutely incredible.

Natalie 55:40
I was actually thinking that earlier in the conversation of like, how cool it would be to like think of these two kinds of things that can really amplify your workouts and to, you know, very different ways. They’re doing two different things. But like how cool it’s like you have the band and you have the the Palmer cooling technology for in between to recover from sets. And I literally was visualizing that. So it’s funny that you’re making this same connection.

Derek 56:04
You know, what I love as a future episode is I would love to get you Brett and I’d love to get Kyle all on the same thing and have a discussion. Like I feel like that would be powerful. Yeah, really powerful.

Natalie 56:15
We do a test thing where it’s like you and me, we’re doing this training, we’re using the polymer cooling. We do it for 30 days or 60 days or whatever we come back. We have both of them on we talk about the plan they put us on.

Brett Burton 56:26
Pretty cool. That’d be pretty cool. Open. I’m open to that. And I think that there’s a lot there that you can’t be said of the ABA cooling device. I have one myself. And so when I lived in, I’m back in Nebraska now. So I live in my home, I moved back to my hometown, I brought my family back to my hometown. 7500 people it’s a small town called McCook, Nebraska, it’s a beautiful little community where the people you can’t find people like him that are here. They’re so kind and generous and friendly. But yeah, when I was in Phoenix, though, I’ve got the ABA and you know, trying to get sun exposure, as we were talking about in Phoenix in the summer as well, it’s, it’s hot, it’s 100 degrees. So what I would do is I would take that Aava and take go for my walk, I would have these different routes that I would use and would do that in for a future episode, if you want to, I actually did some testing with like heartrate monitor and some different stuff with that that you might guys might be interested in. But it really is a fascinating recovery tool. So I would say BFR helps facilitate facilitate performance in making work or exercise more efficient. Whereas a VA is going to help promote some of that recovery. And when you can get both those things working together, you know, Mark for Stegen, who founded Exos, when he designed this facility, this gym that I was talking about, he intentionally designed the facility to have two different sides, and you would walk through the doors on one side, and it would say work, and the other side would be rest. And so that’s what an arrest. So on our worksite that was our gym, that was where the music was thumping, and then it raised the hair on your back your neck like it was awesome place to go. Like, if you just wanted to, like feel the environment there, like I would get done with work at the end of the day. And I would honestly put on piano ensembles and you know, little different shooting things because I was just like, so revved up from the high quality. But then you go to the other side of this facility. And that’s where we would have our hot and cold. That’s where we’d have our massage services. That’s where we’d have the our nutrition. We had a dining hall there. And that was on that side of the facility. So the future of wellness, I think in getting these things to work together is like how do you take in make work really good and efficient, meet people where they’re at? But how do we also enhance your recovery methods so that way the body is healing and recovering. And we’re keeping people injury free. We’re keeping people feeling good, and we’re keeping people coming back for more. And those things really are exciting. So Kyle’s device, I think is a great one. It’s got a nice price point, it’s very easy to use, right? Similar to be strong and BFR. Another one that’s coming out that’s actually just getting launched that you guys are interested in looking into is called exotherm. It’s a smart thermal technology. So there’s some elements of heat. And I’ve been working as kind of an advisor with this company for the last two to three years as they’ve been building this product. And it’s actually we’re on the doorstep to the official launch date here. But you can see it online. It’s exotherm XOThrm.com is how it’s spelled. And they have improved the heating experience to make it a digital experience for individuals which is really unique because so often you know we take the rice and put it in the microwave or we Go to the physical therapy clinic and they pull out the hot pad out of the hot water container.

Derek 1:00:07
Yeah, I used to do that quite a bit. Yeah, it’s a mess.

Brett Burton 1:00:09
Yeah, yeah a lot of nuances in that hasn’t been improved for a long time. I mean, we we kind of suspect suspected in kind of looking back on things, maybe 40 years that this has not been improved. And so that’s another technology I’m excited about. I mean, I’ve kind of had a behind the scenes look, but that product is going to be available here into the fall and winter to purchase for consumers. That’s a smart thermal technology. So I think, you know, if you can have a tool in your toolbox, per se, that helps your performance. And you can have a tool or multiple tools that help with your recovery. I think that’s what we all have to evaluate in our our toolbox to say, hey, what am I using to help myself perform well maintain my muscle strength, my mass my function? And what am I helping to keep myself what am I using to keep myself injury free, pain free, keeping myself recovered. And I think if we can fill those buckets with some good items, we can really put ourselves on a nice trajectory to keeping ourselves healthy for a longer period of time.

Natalie 1:01:11
Okay, so question, another question, and then we’re probably gonna have to wrap up. But for anybody that’s listening, that’s really interested in, you know, checking out BFR and getting on a great program, whether it’s somebody that just wants to up their game, or somebody that needs to start somewhere and needs a when can they find you at some of it? And like, can you like, literally get them set up with like, you need to get this and here’s the program, let’s have a conversation, like, they can reach out to you and get this. Right.

Brett Burton 1:01:37
So we are at somavive.com. That’s our online virtual platform that we serve folks with, with providing individualized VFR programs. So that’s that program. Now, I would say if there are any physical therapists, chiropractors, those in personal training or wellness fields, we do have programs that we educate health and fitness professionals in in delivering BFR, effectively to their clients. And so I travel around the country, even I mean, I’ve traveled around the world, in a handful of places teaching, and that’s found at oneharmonicmotion.com. So it’s o ne, H, ar, O M, M O N IC motion.com. But it’s if you look, if you Google one harmonic motion, you’ll find our educational services for health and fitness professionals to get trained up on BFR to help them feel confident about educating, instructing and guiding their clients in that. So, you know, those are the two places I would say to go to learn more about BFR. And then for myself, LinkedIn is my preferred platform. So you can find me on LinkedIn, and I’m fairly active on that platform, just talking a lot about some of the things that we’ve talked about today.

Natalie 1:03:01
Awesome. Did you have any have any more questions is what I was about to say to him. And then I just stopped my summer. I’m not I was I started opening that door, and then I closed it on my own face. Well, we can totally I love the idea of having Brett on again with Kyle. Yeah. And having a kind of more fun conversation. I’ll be here, but..

Derek 1:03:24
I’ll be stoked. I’ll be ready. I’ll be like, have all my questions lined up and be ready to go, man, oh, my gosh, Brett, this has been a wonderful conference. Yeah, super fun. Thank you so much for joining us. And I really hope that that our listeners pay attention and really look into what we’ve talked about today. Because and personally, I’m going to definitely look into it, because I think it can really make a huge impact for for everyone that’s listening.

Natalie 1:03:49
Yeah. And thank you for the time and attention and care. And I really appreciate meeting a professional that’s in health, fitness and wellness that is making such a beautiful space for people that don’t necessarily fit into the category and who have always felt a little bit on the outside when it comes to that. So thank you for making a way for people are building the bridge, I guess I should say, for people to find a way into health and wellness and fitness and longevity. And I just would encourage anybody who’s listening to check out your website to check out some of it because it sounds to me like there’s a place for everyone in there. And I think that that’s something that’s pretty hard to achieve in this arena. So congratulations and thank you for all you do.

Brett Burton 1:04:30
Thank you both for having me and I’ve enjoyed my time with you.

Podcast Guests

Brett Burton

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Natalie Garland
Derek Berkey
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